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		<title>By: Bob Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-296992</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baruch (November 1, 2007 @ 11:52 pm) needs a change of shul scenery to show him that many other Orthodox congregations have found a better way.</description>
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		<title>By: Baruch</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-296172</link>
		<dc:creator>Baruch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am very impressed by the authenticity of Orthodox
prayer forms, I find the uninterrupted cacaphony of the
congregants who are typically bored beyond measure helpful
for the latest stock tips and corporate mergers.
Be careful when you point your finger. You've got three
other fingers pointing back at you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am very impressed by the authenticity of Orthodox<br />
prayer forms, I find the uninterrupted cacaphony of the<br />
congregants who are typically bored beyond measure helpful<br />
for the latest stock tips and corporate mergers.<br />
Be careful when you point your finger. You&#8217;ve got three<br />
other fingers pointing back at you!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wolpoe</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-296157</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wolpoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is refreshing to see that the  Reform Movement is beginning to "See the Light". I suggest that Torah-True Jews pursue the following stance:

1) On the One hand be firm with our Beliefs and Practices
2) On the other hand - Be open to extend a hand to those who - though far away now - are heading back in the Torah dicrection. [Shalom Shalom larachok v'lakarov...]

Rabbi Safran has apparently fulfilled both of the above. While remaining loyal and Torah-True, he sees the glimmer of light {pintele-yid perhaps?] amongst those who used to abandon Torah more completely.

And if I may add a third lesson - Torah Education will help lead the non-Observant to a higher Torah Consciousness. While indeed it may be forbidden to teach non-jJws Torah, there is no such prohibition  [at least as far as I know] to teach the not-yet-Observant.   Eventually, that education will lead to greater observance.  Today - unlike say 180 years ago - most Reform Jews ignore Halacha because they are ignorant of Torah. With a more Torah-True prayer book, they may work their way back. And with proliferation of many user-friendly tomes - such as the Shottenstein Talmud this possibility is greater than ever before.

Kol Tuv
RRW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is refreshing to see that the  Reform Movement is beginning to &#8220;See the Light&#8221;. I suggest that Torah-True Jews pursue the following stance:</p>
<p>1) On the One hand be firm with our Beliefs and Practices<br />
2) On the other hand - Be open to extend a hand to those who - though far away now - are heading back in the Torah dicrection. [Shalom Shalom larachok v'lakarov...]</p>
<p>Rabbi Safran has apparently fulfilled both of the above. While remaining loyal and Torah-True, he sees the glimmer of light {pintele-yid perhaps?] amongst those who used to abandon Torah more completely.</p>
<p>And if I may add a third lesson - Torah Education will help lead the non-Observant to a higher Torah Consciousness. While indeed it may be forbidden to teach non-jJws Torah, there is no such prohibition  [at least as far as I know] to teach the not-yet-Observant.   Eventually, that education will lead to greater observance.  Today - unlike say 180 years ago - most Reform Jews ignore Halacha because they are ignorant of Torah. With a more Torah-True prayer book, they may work their way back. And with proliferation of many user-friendly tomes - such as the Shottenstein Talmud this possibility is greater than ever before.</p>
<p>Kol Tuv<br />
RRW</p>
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		<title>By: Baruch</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-295681</link>
		<dc:creator>Baruch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Balfour Brickner was the Rabbi Emeritus of the Stephen Wise Free Synagogue in NYC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Balfour Brickner was the Rabbi Emeritus of the Stephen Wise Free Synagogue in NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: LOberstein</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-294776</link>
		<dc:creator>LOberstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name you are trying to remember is Balfour Brickner. I believe he was a reform rabbi in Cleveland Heights,Ohio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name you are trying to remember is Balfour Brickner. I believe he was a reform rabbi in Cleveland Heights,Ohio.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Brizel</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-294661</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Brizel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. One can only understand such developments and others of a similar nature within the heterodox groups as Hirhurie Teshuvah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. One can only understand such developments and others of a similar nature within the heterodox groups as Hirhurie Teshuvah.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Maryles</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-294263</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Maryles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful article. Subject of my post today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful article. Subject of my post today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewish Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-293972</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewish Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Orthodox Jews take text and ritual seriously because we believe in Divine origin. I don’t think that most Reform or Conservative laymen are that involved or care about the nusach of the siddur. Apathy is more accurate"

- would that it would be true that Orthodox were as concious of divine origin as RLO implies we are. i think he is right that the philosophical source of our rigourous devotion to ritual is that (academic) belief, but to imply that we are more connected in our day to day actions with our core philosphies than are Conservative or Reform is not obvious to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Orthodox Jews take text and ritual seriously because we believe in Divine origin. I don’t think that most Reform or Conservative laymen are that involved or care about the nusach of the siddur. Apathy is more accurate&#8221;</p>
<p>- would that it would be true that Orthodox were as concious of divine origin as RLO implies we are. i think he is right that the philosophical source of our rigourous devotion to ritual is that (academic) belief, but to imply that we are more connected in our day to day actions with our core philosphies than are Conservative or Reform is not obvious to me.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-293361</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon reading comments 5, 7, and 8, I partially repent of my comment (#4). Indeed, any move in the right direction must be welcomed.  I looked for evidence of a change of heart when one of mere tactics might suffice.  Perhaps I have held too strongly onto one of the major spokesmen of Reform (a name like Brucker comes to mind but I am not sure) who answered, upon being asked some 25 years ago what disqualified a synagogue from being part of the Reform movement, "when they don't pay their dues."
Thank you Ori, J.O., and D. Friedman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon reading comments 5, 7, and 8, I partially repent of my comment (#4). Indeed, any move in the right direction must be welcomed.  I looked for evidence of a change of heart when one of mere tactics might suffice.  Perhaps I have held too strongly onto one of the major spokesmen of Reform (a name like Brucker comes to mind but I am not sure) who answered, upon being asked some 25 years ago what disqualified a synagogue from being part of the Reform movement, &#8220;when they don&#8217;t pay their dues.&#8221;<br />
Thank you Ori, J.O., and D. Friedman.</p>
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		<title>By: LOberstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOberstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting approach and everyone is being sensitive. Orthodox Jews take text and ritual seriously because we believe in Divine origin. I don't think that most Reform or Conservative laymen are that involved or care  about the nusach of the siddur. Apathy is more accurate. How often do they go to Temple, when they are there, the service is short and there is very little actual Jewish education for adults or children. So, how can this affect anyone other than some of the rabbis and maybe a very small percentage of the laity. Most Reform Jews never learn Hebrew, how much can one learn in Sunday School. A huge percentage are intermarried and many of the non Jewish spouses practice Christianity and their children  "observe" Chanukah and Christmas. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting approach and everyone is being sensitive. Orthodox Jews take text and ritual seriously because we believe in Divine origin. I don&#8217;t think that most Reform or Conservative laymen are that involved or care  about the nusach of the siddur. Apathy is more accurate. How often do they go to Temple, when they are there, the service is short and there is very little actual Jewish education for adults or children. So, how can this affect anyone other than some of the rabbis and maybe a very small percentage of the laity. Most Reform Jews never learn Hebrew, how much can one learn in Sunday School. A huge percentage are intermarried and many of the non Jewish spouses practice Christianity and their children  &#8220;observe&#8221; Chanukah and Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewish Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-293281</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewish Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the reform movement has not changed its convictions; it is only looking for a market"

i think we have to distinguish between the reform movement and the yiden that comprise it. jet's not forget that just because THEY labeled themslves something fancy and different, it doesn't make them different. After all, we put no credence in that label. To us, yiden are yiden. I think RAS was referring to the neshomos underneath the movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the reform movement has not changed its convictions; it is only looking for a market&#8221;</p>
<p>i think we have to distinguish between the reform movement and the yiden that comprise it. jet&#8217;s not forget that just because THEY labeled themslves something fancy and different, it doesn&#8217;t make them different. After all, we put no credence in that label. To us, yiden are yiden. I think RAS was referring to the neshomos underneath the movement.</p>
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		<title>By: David N. Friedman</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-293226</link>
		<dc:creator>David N. Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one is easy.  The Reform movement is finding reason to move to the right and towards tradition.  This is to be applauded.  If they are faking it until they make it--this is positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one is easy.  The Reform movement is finding reason to move to the right and towards tradition.  This is to be applauded.  If they are faking it until they make it&#8211;this is positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Yehoshua Friedman</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-293071</link>
		<dc:creator>Yehoshua Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have sometimes encountered the rocky phenomenon of couples, one of whom was raised non-frum or even was not Jewish, the other FFB on the way off the derech. The one was captivated by the wonders of Judaism, the other by the promise of the otherness of the blonde WASP or whatever. I suspect that the Reform "Jews" who are the major market for the return to tradition are the so-called "Jews by choice", i.e. Reform Gentiles. Some of them will eventually undergo a halachic conversion while others will discover that they had a maternal great-grandmother who was a member of the tribe. The workings of Hashem are wondrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have sometimes encountered the rocky phenomenon of couples, one of whom was raised non-frum or even was not Jewish, the other FFB on the way off the derech. The one was captivated by the wonders of Judaism, the other by the promise of the otherness of the blonde WASP or whatever. I suspect that the Reform &#8220;Jews&#8221; who are the major market for the return to tradition are the so-called &#8220;Jews by choice&#8221;, i.e. Reform Gentiles. Some of them will eventually undergo a halachic conversion while others will discover that they had a maternal great-grandmother who was a member of the tribe. The workings of Hashem are wondrous.</p>
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		<title>By: Ori Pomerantz</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-292951</link>
		<dc:creator>Ori Pomerantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, isn't it telling that the "market" (that is, the Reform laity who comes to shul and keeps the whole thing running) wants Hebrew and allusions to the resurrection of the dead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, isn&#8217;t it telling that the &#8220;market&#8221; (that is, the Reform laity who comes to shul and keeps the whole thing running) wants Hebrew and allusions to the resurrection of the dead?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-292909</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the tone of this piece was hopeful and appropriate in every way.
But the reform movement has not changed its convictions; it is only looking for a market.  Should it later decide that there are more customers in their previous direction after all, we can say goodbye to the Hebrew text, to the current direction of turning pages, and to allusions to techiyat ha'maytim (which will be again resurrected when trends switch yet again).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the tone of this piece was hopeful and appropriate in every way.<br />
But the reform movement has not changed its convictions; it is only looking for a market.  Should it later decide that there are more customers in their previous direction after all, we can say goodbye to the Hebrew text, to the current direction of turning pages, and to allusions to techiyat ha&#8217;maytim (which will be again resurrected when trends switch yet again).</p>
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		<title>By: Yitzchok Adlerstein</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-292895</link>
		<dc:creator>Yitzchok Adlerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It may be naive to imagine that changes in the Reform prayer book hold out hope that Reform-affiliated Jews might yet come to consider returning to the fullness of the Jewish religious tradition.&lt;/em&gt;

It is not entirely naive.

A few years ago, the Reform movement agonized over updating its platform, something it does every few decades.  One of the architects is a personal friend of mine.  He struggled to be true to Reform "tradition," while accomodating a changed outlook on Jewish tradition that he and others perceived.

His original draft contained references to Shabbos, Kashrus, and even Tarahas HaMishpachah - at least on a voluntary basis.  It set off a firestorm of criticism and commentary.  Many more drafts were offered before a compromise one was accepted, which softened but did not eliminate his input.

The process revealed a deep fissure in Reform ranks, with a new generation of rabbis much more inclined to explore tradition, although far removed from traditional attitudes towards that tradition.

I spoke with one of the Gedolei Hador at the time, who instantly saw the positive implications.  If Reform Jews will be more open to exploring tradition, there is little question that a certain percentage, as individuals, will want to explore further and deeper.  Some of those will make it back all the way.  I have seen those people myself; they now daven in the same shuls that I do.

Years ago, Rabbi Shlomo Riskin made a point of attending the annual convention of the Reform rabbinic group, the CCAR.  I'm not sure if I would have done the same, but that is not the point. Each year he went, he succeeded in striking up relationships with individual rabbis, whom he was later successful in bringing back to observance.

Bottom line: It may be naive to think that the Reform movement is going to turn around.  It is not naive to note that there are new winds blowing, and that many individuals - and rabbis - could be brought further along, if we fashion our response correctly.  We must become ro-im es hanolad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It may be naive to imagine that changes in the Reform prayer book hold out hope that Reform-affiliated Jews might yet come to consider returning to the fullness of the Jewish religious tradition.</em></p>
<p>It is not entirely naive.</p>
<p>A few years ago, the Reform movement agonized over updating its platform, something it does every few decades.  One of the architects is a personal friend of mine.  He struggled to be true to Reform &#8220;tradition,&#8221; while accomodating a changed outlook on Jewish tradition that he and others perceived.</p>
<p>His original draft contained references to Shabbos, Kashrus, and even Tarahas HaMishpachah - at least on a voluntary basis.  It set off a firestorm of criticism and commentary.  Many more drafts were offered before a compromise one was accepted, which softened but did not eliminate his input.</p>
<p>The process revealed a deep fissure in Reform ranks, with a new generation of rabbis much more inclined to explore tradition, although far removed from traditional attitudes towards that tradition.</p>
<p>I spoke with one of the Gedolei Hador at the time, who instantly saw the positive implications.  If Reform Jews will be more open to exploring tradition, there is little question that a certain percentage, as individuals, will want to explore further and deeper.  Some of those will make it back all the way.  I have seen those people myself; they now daven in the same shuls that I do.</p>
<p>Years ago, Rabbi Shlomo Riskin made a point of attending the annual convention of the Reform rabbinic group, the CCAR.  I&#8217;m not sure if I would have done the same, but that is not the point. Each year he went, he succeeded in striking up relationships with individual rabbis, whom he was later successful in bringing back to observance.</p>
<p>Bottom line: It may be naive to think that the Reform movement is going to turn around.  It is not naive to note that there are new winds blowing, and that many individuals - and rabbis - could be brought further along, if we fashion our response correctly.  We must become ro-im es hanolad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewish Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/10/30/resurrection/#comment-292855</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewish Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am impressed with the positive tone of this piece. it clearly gets across the rabbi's mecha'ah (protest) while maintaining a respectful and loving tone. shkoyach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am impressed with the positive tone of this piece. it clearly gets across the rabbi&#8217;s mecha&#8217;ah (protest) while maintaining a respectful and loving tone. shkoyach.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, many "Reform-affilated Jews" are not Jews at all.  This growing Reform subgroup is not part of "a desiccated limb of the Jewish people".  Rather, it is part of a deceived Erev Rav recruited under false pretenses.

When the Reform movement's awareness of Judaism goes up another notch, it will have explain to many of its congregants how they can halachically convert to Judaism.  Many of these won't even know this is their personal matter of concern, thanks to past and present mumbo jumbo from Reform leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, many &#8220;Reform-affilated Jews&#8221; are not Jews at all.  This growing Reform subgroup is not part of &#8220;a desiccated limb of the Jewish people&#8221;.  Rather, it is part of a deceived Erev Rav recruited under false pretenses.</p>
<p>When the Reform movement&#8217;s awareness of Judaism goes up another notch, it will have explain to many of its congregants how they can halachically convert to Judaism.  Many of these won&#8217;t even know this is their personal matter of concern, thanks to past and present mumbo jumbo from Reform leaders.</p>
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