Comments on: Remembrances of Tisha B’Av Past http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/ A Journal of Jewish Thought and Opinion Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:38:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: ikgb jvpoxrt http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-210211 ikgb jvpoxrt Sat, 28 Jul 2007 02:28:34 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-210211 dfyeh uoetg rsygnl ecli qidhukogx vlcob rnfo dfyeh uoetg rsygnl ecli qidhukogx vlcob rnfo

]]> By: la costa http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-209440 la costa Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:11:53 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-209440 i still use that version, though the notes may be too 'critical' for some in this audience... i still use that version, though the notes may be too ‘critical’ for some in this audience…

]]> By: lawrence kaplan http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-208188 lawrence kaplan Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:33:18 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-208188 I meant the edition of Kinnot edited and translated by Avraham Rosenfeld. My mistake. I meant the edition of Kinnot edited and translated by Avraham Rosenfeld. My mistake.

]]> By: lawrence kaplan http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-207581 lawrence kaplan Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:05:26 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-207581 What about the Silverman Kinnot? Believe it or not, there was life --and learning in English-- before Art Scroll! What about the Silverman Kinnot? Believe it or not, there was life –and learning in English– before Art Scroll!

]]> By: YM http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-206853 YM Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:53:44 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-206853 Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Rabbi Belovski Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Rabbi Belovski

]]> By: joel rich http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-206460 joel rich Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:24:45 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/07/22/remembrances-of-tisha-bav-past/#comment-206460 This poignant melody somehow synthesises the calamity of Jewish history with our unshakeable confidence in a magnificent future. ====================================================== From a recent VNM shiur on the same point: According to Rav Amiel, Judaism incorporates more of the optimism of Shir Ha-shirim than the pessimism of Kohelet. Kohelet is read once a year on Sukkot, but Shir Ha-shirim appears in the Siddur for recital each Friday night. Of course, this optimism should not be confused with the notion that religion quickly solves all human problems and that religious life consists of resting by still waters in a green pasture. (Indeed, Rabbi J. B. Soloveitchik attacks this Pollyannaish view of religion in the majestic fourth footnote of Halakhic Man.) Rather, religion understands the unfortunate truth that life includes tragedies, difficulties and frustrations, and that we cannot easily deal with these things or confidently understand their place in the cosmic scheme. At the same time, our faith in the divine promise and in a life of Torah and mitzvot does enable a certain ongoing optimism even as we acknowledge the existence of suffering. Rabbi Akiva certainly mourns the loss of the Temple, even as he continues to look forward to a better future. KT This poignant melody somehow synthesises the calamity of Jewish history with our unshakeable confidence in a magnificent future.
======================================================

From a recent VNM shiur on the same point:
According to Rav Amiel, Judaism incorporates more of the optimism of Shir Ha-shirim than the pessimism of Kohelet. Kohelet is read once a year on Sukkot, but Shir Ha-shirim appears in the Siddur for recital each Friday night. Of course, this optimism should not be confused with the notion that religion quickly solves all human problems and that religious life consists of resting by still waters in a green pasture. (Indeed, Rabbi J. B. Soloveitchik attacks this Pollyannaish view of religion in the majestic fourth footnote of Halakhic Man.) Rather, religion understands the unfortunate truth that life includes tragedies, difficulties and frustrations, and that we cannot easily deal with these things or confidently understand their place in the cosmic scheme. At the same time, our faith in the divine promise and in a life of Torah and mitzvot does enable a certain ongoing optimism even as we acknowledge the existence of suffering. Rabbi Akiva certainly mourns the loss of the Temple, even as he continues to look forward to a better future.

KT

]]>