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		<title>By: Rhymes With Right</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/02/11/islamists%e2%80%99-historiography/#comment-85428</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhymes With Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Watcher's Council Results...&lt;/strong&gt;

The winning entries in the Watcher's Council vote for this week are A Rock, a Hard Place, and the Deep Blue Sea by Right Wing Nut House, and Islamist Historiography by Cross-Currents.&#160; Here arethe full results of the vote. Here......</description>
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<p>The winning entries in the Watcher&#8217;s Council vote for this week are A Rock, a Hard Place, and the Deep Blue Sea by Right Wing Nut House, and Islamist Historiography by Cross-Currents.&nbsp; Here arethe full results of the vote. Here&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Council Has Spoken!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Council Has Spoken!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The winning non-Council post was Cross-Currents&#8217;s “Islamist Historiography”. In second place was Wizbang&#8217;s article, “No Blogger Is An Island”. The complete results are here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The winning non-Council post was Cross-Currents&#8217;s “Islamist Historiography”. In second place was Wizbang&#8217;s article, “No Blogger Is An Island”. The complete results are here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The COLOSSUS OF RHODEY</title>
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		<dc:creator>The COLOSSUS OF RHODEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Watcher's Council results...&lt;/strong&gt;

And now...&#160; the winning entries in the Watcher's Council vote for this week are A Rock, a Hard Place, and the Deep Blue Sea by Right Wing Nut House, and Islamist Historiography by Cross-Currents.&#160; All members, please be sure to......</description>
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<p>And now&#8230;&nbsp; the winning entries in the Watcher&#8217;s Council vote for this week are A Rock, a Hard Place, and the Deep Blue Sea by Right Wing Nut House, and Islamist Historiography by Cross-Currents.&nbsp; All members, please be sure to&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soccer Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Council speak 02/23/2007...&lt;/strong&gt;

The council has spoken and these are the results. On the Council side, Right Wing Nuthouse's A rock, a hard place and the deep blue sea was the winning entry. It considered how much of an ally Musharaaf really is. There was a second place tie between ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Council speak 02/23/2007&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The council has spoken and these are the results. On the Council side, Right Wing Nuthouse&#8217;s A rock, a hard place and the deep blue sea was the winning entry. It considered how much of an ally Musharaaf really is. There was a second place tie between &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem here is the same one that causes so many other problems: ignorance.  Sadly yet true, the overwhelming majority of American Jews know nothing about their own Jewish heritage.  The more ignorant the Jew, the more likely he is to vote against the interests of his own people and the Jewish Land of Israel.  It frustrates me to no end that supposedly educated Jews, who of course are educated in seemingly everything except Judaism, oppose our current President, who is probably the most pro-Israel President in American history, while turning a blind eye to such left-wing antisemites as Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Cindy Sheehan, Norman Finkelstein, Jimmy Carter, Teresa Hines Kerry, and so on.  Even the Islamofascist terrorists themselves were rooting for the Democrats to take back the Congress in these past November elections!  More Jews need to wake up to the freightening reality that nobody will help us if we are not willing to help ourselves first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is the same one that causes so many other problems: ignorance.  Sadly yet true, the overwhelming majority of American Jews know nothing about their own Jewish heritage.  The more ignorant the Jew, the more likely he is to vote against the interests of his own people and the Jewish Land of Israel.  It frustrates me to no end that supposedly educated Jews, who of course are educated in seemingly everything except Judaism, oppose our current President, who is probably the most pro-Israel President in American history, while turning a blind eye to such left-wing antisemites as Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Cindy Sheehan, Norman Finkelstein, Jimmy Carter, Teresa Hines Kerry, and so on.  Even the Islamofascist terrorists themselves were rooting for the Democrats to take back the Congress in these past November elections!  More Jews need to wake up to the freightening reality that nobody will help us if we are not willing to help ourselves first.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/02/11/islamists%e2%80%99-historiography/#comment-80201</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As in the 60's and 70's, there are Americans who work for America's defeat by any available enemy. and there are other Americans that they have duped into supporting them.  This is what it amounts to, all fancy rhetoric aside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As in the 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s, there are Americans who work for America&#8217;s defeat by any available enemy. and there are other Americans that they have duped into supporting them.  This is what it amounts to, all fancy rhetoric aside.</p>
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		<title>By: Ori Pomerantz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ori Pomerantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loberstein: &lt;b&gt;Jonathan and his fellow Republicans are tarring intelligent people with foresight with the brush of cowardice for opposing a failed policy. We should not side with people who deny global warning, think the solution is to take more oil out of protected areas and whose agenda is basicly contrary to the American Dream .

Ori: Whether Iraq is failed policy or not remains to be seen - the news implies that it is, bloggers on the ground usually imply that it isn't. Of course, those bloggers are usually in the military, and you could claim that having placed their lives at risk to implement those policies, it would be hard for them to reject the same policies later.

However, I am yet to get a clear picture of what is the short to medium term Democratic solution. Can we withdraw from Iraq without being perceived as retreating, which would encourage the radicals and discourage the moderates?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loberstein: <b>Jonathan and his fellow Republicans are tarring intelligent people with foresight with the brush of cowardice for opposing a failed policy. We should not side with people who deny global warning, think the solution is to take more oil out of protected areas and whose agenda is basicly contrary to the American Dream .</p>
<p>Ori: Whether Iraq is failed policy or not remains to be seen - the news implies that it is, bloggers on the ground usually imply that it isn&#8217;t. Of course, those bloggers are usually in the military, and you could claim that having placed their lives at risk to implement those policies, it would be hard for them to reject the same policies later.</p>
<p>However, I am yet to get a clear picture of what is the short to medium term Democratic solution. Can we withdraw from Iraq without being perceived as retreating, which would encourage the radicals and discourage the moderates?</b></p>
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		<title>By: Tal Benschar</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/02/11/islamists%e2%80%99-historiography/#comment-80061</link>
		<dc:creator>Tal Benschar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The amazing thing is that in our case the West HAS suffered from Islamo-fascist attacks: the 9/11 attack, the London and Madrid bombings.

Imagine in 1936 Hitler, y"msh, had ordered the Luftwaffe to bomb London, killing 3,000 people.  Would Churchill have then had such a difficult time convincing the British of the looming Nazi menace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amazing thing is that in our case the West HAS suffered from Islamo-fascist attacks: the 9/11 attack, the London and Madrid bombings.</p>
<p>Imagine in 1936 Hitler, y&#8221;msh, had ordered the Luftwaffe to bomb London, killing 3,000 people.  Would Churchill have then had such a difficult time convincing the British of the looming Nazi menace?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahron</title>
		<link>http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/02/11/islamists%e2%80%99-historiography/#comment-80058</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"...that began with the screening of Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West, a powerful documentary that has been widely shown on American TV, but for some inexplicable reason has yet to appear on Israel TV."&lt;/i&gt;

Israel is a nation not only in denial, but in full-steam avoidance of the maelstrom surrounding it. A perusal of the Israeli media, and a modest number of conversations with "men on the street" makes that disturbingly clear. The reality of a coalescing geopolitical onslaught backed by weapons of mass destruction, and manned by at least several tens of millions of motivated, equipped and disciplined volunteers, is just too much to face right now. Israeli society's current visionless, leaderless condition adds a thread of dread to the situation. Israel cannot even acknowledge the reality of the Palestinian Arab onslaught right across the street! But I think ultimately you must wake up. You just choose whether you'll woken up by the alarm clock...or by a bucket of ice-water tossed into your bed. 

&lt;i&gt;"That battle barely rates a mention on the Web sites of any of the eight declared Democratic candidates..."&lt;/i&gt;

...most of whose campaign platforms want Americans to tackle those really critical issues like...global warming...cheap health insurance...and cheap gas prices. (sigh...) Israel's not the only major population in full-steam avoidance. The interesting element in America is that the media's lurid coverage of the Islamist-wrought horror in Iraq seems to only be encouraging many people's avoidance instincts further. It sure says something when a political party's leading proclaimed concern is about "controlling" a permanently unstable and chaotic system (the biosphere and climate) whose supposed "doom" is not even due for several thousand years.... as we fight an enemy only too ready to return the front line to the American homeland right now. Reality's tough, it would seem. 

And people accuse the &lt;b&gt;right wing&lt;/b&gt; in America of "faith-based" policymaking!? Goodness.

&lt;i&gt;"The current minority of Jews who are frum and/or politically conservative have very little influence on the political process compared to their liberal brethren..."&lt;/i&gt;

That's not quite true. Chabad has long had a great deal of political respect and influence, but much of their energy has been dissipated in recent years in both promoting and fighting against the meshichist madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;that began with the screening of Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West, a powerful documentary that has been widely shown on American TV, but for some inexplicable reason has yet to appear on Israel TV.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Israel is a nation not only in denial, but in full-steam avoidance of the maelstrom surrounding it. A perusal of the Israeli media, and a modest number of conversations with &#8220;men on the street&#8221; makes that disturbingly clear. The reality of a coalescing geopolitical onslaught backed by weapons of mass destruction, and manned by at least several tens of millions of motivated, equipped and disciplined volunteers, is just too much to face right now. Israeli society&#8217;s current visionless, leaderless condition adds a thread of dread to the situation. Israel cannot even acknowledge the reality of the Palestinian Arab onslaught right across the street! But I think ultimately you must wake up. You just choose whether you&#8217;ll woken up by the alarm clock&#8230;or by a bucket of ice-water tossed into your bed. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;That battle barely rates a mention on the Web sites of any of the eight declared Democratic candidates&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8230;most of whose campaign platforms want Americans to tackle those really critical issues like&#8230;global warming&#8230;cheap health insurance&#8230;and cheap gas prices. (sigh&#8230;) Israel&#8217;s not the only major population in full-steam avoidance. The interesting element in America is that the media&#8217;s lurid coverage of the Islamist-wrought horror in Iraq seems to only be encouraging many people&#8217;s avoidance instincts further. It sure says something when a political party&#8217;s leading proclaimed concern is about &#8220;controlling&#8221; a permanently unstable and chaotic system (the biosphere and climate) whose supposed &#8220;doom&#8221; is not even due for several thousand years&#8230;. as we fight an enemy only too ready to return the front line to the American homeland right now. Reality&#8217;s tough, it would seem. </p>
<p>And people accuse the <b>right wing</b> in America of &#8220;faith-based&#8221; policymaking!? Goodness.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The current minority of Jews who are frum and/or politically conservative have very little influence on the political process compared to their liberal brethren&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not quite true. Chabad has long had a great deal of political respect and influence, but much of their energy has been dissipated in recent years in both promoting and fighting against the meshichist madness.</p>
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		<title>By: Yehoshua Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yehoshua Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is extremely distressing that the American Jews, 75-80% knee-jerk liberal Democrats, are not pressing their party of choice on this issue. Jews historically should know better. The current minority of Jews who are frum and/or politically conservative have very little influence on the political process compared to their liberal brethren who are trying soooo hard to imitate Episcopalians and fail at it miserably. The tragedy is of course that the Christian right, which agrees with Jews on the Israel/Wahhabi issue, is completely at odds with the liberal Jews, i.e. the Democratic Jewish money, on all social issues and both are wholly owned by their respective parties. Hence the two groups will not have any collective leverage on this issue. More's the pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is extremely distressing that the American Jews, 75-80% knee-jerk liberal Democrats, are not pressing their party of choice on this issue. Jews historically should know better. The current minority of Jews who are frum and/or politically conservative have very little influence on the political process compared to their liberal brethren who are trying soooo hard to imitate Episcopalians and fail at it miserably. The tragedy is of course that the Christian right, which agrees with Jews on the Israel/Wahhabi issue, is completely at odds with the liberal Jews, i.e. the Democratic Jewish money, on all social issues and both are wholly owned by their respective parties. Hence the two groups will not have any collective leverage on this issue. More&#8217;s the pity.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles B. Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles B. Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sen. Moynihan z'tz'l predicted the collapse of the former Soviet Union even before Reagan took office. He and Prof. Lewis both exemplify the reason for the "shnatan mikvodo l'vasar vadam" blessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sen. Moynihan z&#8217;tz&#8217;l predicted the collapse of the former Soviet Union even before Reagan took office. He and Prof. Lewis both exemplify the reason for the &#8220;shnatan mikvodo l&#8217;vasar vadam&#8221; blessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Loberstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loberstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Jonathan is as usual very insightful and as this is indeed an existential threat to Israel, I hesitate to find fault. However, Jonathan as most of his peers is a Conservative Republican and sees the Democratic Party as the problem. This blind spot is not his alone. So, I must point out that he problem is not the War In Iraq or the War against Terrorism but the conduct of these wars. The incompetence of the current regime in the White House is the problem, not the fact that it is Republican. Another President and a different Republican admi nistration could have done a much better job. Don't confuse the issue.

Europe's problems are well known, aging population, Moslem population, unwillingness to fight. Other countries are also unwilling to giveup their business profits  by trading with the enemy. The American people have refused to practice conservation and invest in alternative fuels, so we are slaves to the Wahabis. This isn't a Democratic vs republican issue. Both sides can be bought off by lobbyests for oil interests.

Jonathan and his fellow Republicans are tarring intelligent people with foresight with the brush of cowardice for opposing a failed policy. We should not side with people who deny global warning, think the solution is to take more oil out of protected areas and whose agenda is basicly contrary to the American Dream . Thee is much wrotng with American society but I don't want to live under the Christian Conservatives and their soul mates in other lands, including Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Jonathan is as usual very insightful and as this is indeed an existential threat to Israel, I hesitate to find fault. However, Jonathan as most of his peers is a Conservative Republican and sees the Democratic Party as the problem. This blind spot is not his alone. So, I must point out that he problem is not the War In Iraq or the War against Terrorism but the conduct of these wars. The incompetence of the current regime in the White House is the problem, not the fact that it is Republican. Another President and a different Republican admi nistration could have done a much better job. Don&#8217;t confuse the issue.</p>
<p>Europe&#8217;s problems are well known, aging population, Moslem population, unwillingness to fight. Other countries are also unwilling to giveup their business profits  by trading with the enemy. The American people have refused to practice conservation and invest in alternative fuels, so we are slaves to the Wahabis. This isn&#8217;t a Democratic vs republican issue. Both sides can be bought off by lobbyests for oil interests.</p>
<p>Jonathan and his fellow Republicans are tarring intelligent people with foresight with the brush of cowardice for opposing a failed policy. We should not side with people who deny global warning, think the solution is to take more oil out of protected areas and whose agenda is basicly contrary to the American Dream . Thee is much wrotng with American society but I don&#8217;t want to live under the Christian Conservatives and their soul mates in other lands, including Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President Ahmadinejad's real views are summarized on this website: ahmadinejadquotes.blogspot.com</description>
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