Comments on: More on Orthodox Rioting

By: Chareidi Leumi

Chareidi Leumi — Thu, 18 May 2006 01:50:08 +0000

it could be that on this issue the Chazon Ish could have found common ground with Rav Kook. I have heard that he was also against hooliganism.

There are also other things they found common ground on, “Avoda Ivrit” being just one.

By: Jewish Observer

Jewish Observer — Wed, 17 May 2006 21:48:17 +0000

it could be that on this issue the Chazon Ish could have found common ground with Rav Kook. I have heard that he was also against hooliganism.

By: Michoel

Michoel — Wed, 17 May 2006 20:49:08 +0000

Look what Google produced: A direct quote from Yonason Rosenblum from Jewishmediaresources.com!

“At the time of the Bolshevik Revolution, the Chafetz Chaim declared that had he been younger, he would have taken up arms against the Bolsheviks. The Chafetz Chaim apparently did not view the seeming hopelessness of a revolt by religious Jews as a bar to action. ”

I have mamash a love-hate relationship with the internet.

By: Erin

Erin — Wed, 17 May 2006 20:00:49 +0000

I thought the brit kanaim was a right wing group which harassed communists, I did not know it was a religious one.
This is what I found from google

http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.06.13/lookingback.html

By: Jewish Observer

Jewish Observer — Wed, 17 May 2006 18:03:13 +0000

Are you saying that the Chazon Ish was AGAINST the torching of cars?

By: Michoel

Michoel — Wed, 17 May 2006 16:01:11 +0000

Again… context, context, context. The Chazon Ish was not, chas v’shalom, being posel the Chashmonaim. I am trying to find a reliable source: I think I heard from Rabbi Avigdor Miller that the Chafetz Chaim once said that the Yidden in Russian should have revolted violently against the communists. There is a place for violence in our mesora. We need that its use be dictated by seichal and authentic daas Torah.

By: Chareidi Leumi

Chareidi Leumi — Wed, 17 May 2006 15:26:48 +0000

decrying all resort to violence as antithetical to Torah values

Come now, I know that the CI did not believe this, so from where did such a gross generalization creep into the anecdote? One can oppose a particular use of violence while not opposing ALL uses of violence - after all “a time for war and a time for peace”

By: Bob Miller

Bob Miller — Wed, 17 May 2006 14:38:58 +0000

Would it be out of place for the frum communities’ “anti-kenaim” to organize their own security to keep kenaim at bay?

By: Joel Rich

Joel Rich — Wed, 17 May 2006 09:26:31 +0000

OK, but if the community can’t enforce this “psak” will they allow/assist govermental authorities (Israel or US) to do so?
KT