Comments on: It’s Divine Punishment

By: Pesach

Pesach — Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:25:28 +0000

Dear Rav Menken,

I can understand why one should not speculate on why or how Hashem moves in a given situation. However, we have to understand that in the case for Gush Kaitf, which I visited during Keslev 5765, Mr. Sharon was forewarned by many a Chasidim to abandon his plan … which he did not.
That said, one has free will to obey the mitzvot or not. Consequences, whatever they me be,will arise in various degrees and stages. Like Shaul HaMelech, Mr. Sharon was a great warrior and champion for the Eretz Israel, but because of Shaul HaMelech’s transgression, he too lost his rule over Israel, David HaMelech became his successor. There are strict mitzvot concerning Eretz.
Mr. Sharon won’t ever give the order to expel another
Jew from his home anytime soon, perhaps never if he
doesn’t recover.
Had the Israeli atheles observed Rosh Hashana
would they have been victims? If one is in a death camp then one has no control over his situation. But he does have the opportunity of tefilah until his last breath even if sword is at his neck … our Sages teach this.

By: mycroft

mycroft — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:30:55 +0000

To the best of my knowledge none of the contributors to this blog are children-
none of the rest of the commentators want to be put into the category of who prophecy is left with after
the Men of the Great Assembly-Anshe Knesset Hagdolah.
I agree with Steve Brizel about the great caution required before discussing issues of theodicy-Zaddik vra lo vrasha vtov lo. Frankly I knew the Hebrew before the Ebglish-similar to a fortiori-don’t know if I would know the term if I didn’t know about kal vachomer.

By: Steve Brizel

Steve Brizel — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:00:37 +0000

I think that Chazal had a rather pithy and sharp comment about the possesors of prophecy in their
time that we all would do well to think about before we start invoking claims that reolve around and’
are based on theodicy-type statements and assumptions.

By: Southern Belle

Southern Belle — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 18:21:59 +0000

Why doesn’t anyone speculate why it is that Hashem let him LIVE so strongly, at his age and weight, in order to execute the disengagement as he did? Maybe he was kept alive long enough to do exactly this task. (and before I hear flak for this, I was not a supporter of the plan) We should not try to guess the mind of Hashem.

By: Bob Miller

Bob Miller — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:49:48 +0000

All the points above are well taken. However, since we do accept that G-d sends messages to
the Jewish people at times of His choosing, could a stance that world events are
fundamentally incomprehensible someday filter out critically important messages?

By: mycroft

mycroft — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:47:38 +0000

Not that Rabbi Frand needs me to advertise his comments-but if I recollect correctly last night he stated that — unfortunately we don’t have a navi to tell us what God means — we can check our own actions in reponse to tragedies — but never judge someone else. I believe he said something like that — it is too good for me to make up myself.

By: Elie

Elie — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:53:33 +0000

Any human being who thinks they can explain why bad things happen to good people (or to any people) is arrogant, foolish, and cruel. If an acknowledged Godol did so, I would soften these epithets to “misguided” and “injudicious”, but would grant the pronouncement no more credibility.

To misquote Robert Heinlein, we have about as much chance of understanding G-d’s plan as a dog has of understanding how dog food gets into cans. We will never know and to even try is the path to despair and faithlessness. The only proper question is not “why?” but “how do we move on?”

By: Joshua Nathan

Joshua Nathan — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:01:55 +0000

Dear Rav Menken,

I agree with you on this 100% keep up the good work. We can not understand the ways of hashem and it is not our job either. Rav Ahron Soloveichik those who try to explain the holocaust either show blasphemy or they show ignorance. If one has a painting so in order to be able to see it you must stand at a distance to appreciate and see the art of it. So too now, we cannot give judgement on current things that occur or even things that happened long ago; we do not have a complete picture.