Comments on: Will an Apology be Forthcoming? http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/ A Journal of Jewish Thought and Opinion Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:05:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Yaakov Menken http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49981 Yaakov Menken Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:44:32 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49981 Bob, I read the article, and don't think you should hold your breath. Why someone should ask for an apology for justified criticism is beyond me -- but in any case, Yoffie was being more than a tad hypocritical. Rabbi Shafran himself contacted a high school student who wrote in Reform Judaism magazine that she had learned all the Orthodox hate her. He not only contradicted that, but offered to come visit her Hebrew school to have a dialogue with all her classmates. Her teacher refused. Last year on this blog, another writer found a NFTY activity which included a discussion of why the Orthodox think Reform Jews are "Not real Jews because we don’t observe properly." Perhaps Yoffie should clean house before asking for an apology from Rabbi Shafran! Bob,

I read the article, and don’t think you should hold your breath. Why someone should ask for an apology for justified criticism is beyond me — but in any case, Yoffie was being more than a tad hypocritical.

Rabbi Shafran himself contacted a high school student who wrote in Reform Judaism magazine that she had learned all the Orthodox hate her. He not only contradicted that, but offered to come visit her Hebrew school to have a dialogue with all her classmates. Her teacher refused.

Last year on this blog, another writer found a NFTY activity which included a discussion of why the Orthodox think Reform Jews are “Not real Jews because we don’t observe properly.”

Perhaps Yoffie should clean house before asking for an apology from Rabbi Shafran!

]]> By: Brother Bob http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49980 Brother Bob Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:18:10 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49980 Perhaps there will be an exchange of apologies, as Rabbi Yoffie publically asked Rabbi Shafran for an apology in the pages of the Jerusalem Post. Perhaps there will be an exchange of apologies, as Rabbi Yoffie publically asked Rabbi Shafran for an apology in the pages of the Jerusalem Post.

]]> By: Larry Lennhoff http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49979 Larry Lennhoff Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:10:35 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49979 From all accounts I've read, Rabbi Gilman's statement was very controversial. Many people spoke up against it. Furthermore, the more I read about the talk the less clear it becomes exactly what he said. I've been unable to find a transcript of the talk. I assume Mr. Rosenblum wasn't there - has he read the talk, heard from people who were present at the talk, or just read popular accounts of the talk? From all accounts I’ve read, Rabbi Gilman’s statement was very controversial.
Many people spoke up against it. Furthermore, the more I read about the talk
the less clear it becomes exactly what he said. I’ve been unable to find a transcript
of the talk. I assume Mr. Rosenblum wasn’t there - has he read the talk, heard from people
who were present at the talk, or just read popular accounts of the talk?

]]> By: Gershon Seif http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49972 Gershon Seif Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:36:32 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49972 Nu Reb Yonason, how about asking Moment if they'd like to publish this? Nu Reb Yonason, how about asking Moment if they’d like to publish this?

]]> By: Lawrence http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49935 Lawrence Tue, 03 Jan 2006 06:13:45 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49935 Gilman may not be a "fringe" figure within the Conservative movement, but he sits on the far left of the movement's ideology and will gladly say so to anyone who asks. To accept his opinion as an accurate description of the Conservative agenda is logically akin to defining America's national zeitgeist based on a single speech by Howard Dean. Gilman may not be a “fringe” figure within the Conservative movement, but he sits on the far left of the movement’s ideology and will gladly say so to anyone who asks. To accept his opinion as an accurate description of the Conservative agenda is logically akin to defining America’s national zeitgeist based on a single speech by Howard Dean.

]]> By: Toby Katz http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49910 Toby Katz Mon, 02 Jan 2006 22:03:01 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49910 "Gilman is no fringe figure within Conservative Judaism but one of its leading lights," That won't stop C rabbis from continuing to claim that the C movement IS halachic. They don't have any such concept as a "godol" or "da'as Torah" in the C movement. What do they care if Gilman said it's not a halachic movement? “Gilman is no fringe figure within Conservative Judaism but one of its leading lights,”

That won’t stop C rabbis from continuing to claim that the C movement IS halachic. They don’t have any such concept as a “godol” or “da’as Torah” in the C movement. What do they care if Gilman said it’s not a halachic movement?

]]> By: Harry Maryles http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49894 Harry Maryles Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:11:32 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2006/01/02/will-an-apology-be-forthcoming/#comment-49894 Great article. Couldn't agree more. Great article. Couldn’t agree more.

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