Comments on: Kiruv isn’t Coca-Cola http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/ A Journal of Jewish Thought and Opinion Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:44:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Steve Brizel http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-50550 Steve Brizel Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:26:50 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-50550 Just curious-did the video mention or list NCSY as a kiruv force? Just curious-did the video mention or list NCSY as a kiruv force?

]]> By: Sarah M http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-46442 Sarah M Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:16:22 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-46442 While this cooperation between kiruv institutions is nice and admirable, I'd hesitate to call it "unity"; this looks mroe like pooling resources. Unity involves people coming together from disparate positions adn respecting eachother, and while there are small differences between these institutions, from an outsiders perspective they are all the same. Unity would be including schools that teach things that they disagree with,a dn I'm not expecting to see yeshivat chovevei torah ( http://www.yctorah.org ), MaTa"N (Women's Institute for Torah Study http://www.wzo.org.il/en/programs/expand_organization.asp?id=780), or chas v'chalila, machon pardes ( http://www.pardes.org.il/home/ ) conservative yeshiva http://uscj.org/israelcenter/yeshiva2005/index.php , on the back of a kiruv brochure any time (though it would make me very happy and rather emotional) granted, none of these schools are likely to link to kiruv schools, because its not in their interest either. still, tis easy to be unified when we already agree with eachother. unity between jews who disagree (over NON-TRIVIAL DETAILS) would be quite an accomplishment. While this cooperation between kiruv institutions is nice and admirable, I’d hesitate to call it “unity”; this looks mroe like pooling resources.
Unity involves people coming together from disparate positions adn respecting eachother, and while there are small differences between these institutions, from an outsiders perspective they are all the same. Unity would be including schools that teach things that they disagree with,a dn I’m not expecting to see yeshivat chovevei torah ( http://www.yctorah.org ), MaTa”N (Women’s Institute for Torah Study http://www.wzo.org.il/en/programs/expand_organization.asp?id=780), or chas v’chalila, machon pardes ( http://www.pardes.org.il/home/ ) conservative yeshiva http://uscj.org/israelcenter/yeshiva2005/index.php , on the back of a kiruv brochure any time (though it would make me very happy and rather emotional)
granted, none of these schools are likely to link to kiruv schools, because its not in their interest either.
still, tis easy to be unified when we already agree with eachother. unity between jews who disagree (over NON-TRIVIAL DETAILS) would be quite an accomplishment.

]]> By: Shira Schmidt http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-36974 Shira Schmidt Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:28:28 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-36974 21 b Ellul I find the platitudes about "achdus" and unity boring, and I do not think they would attract non-observant Jews. What does attract them is actual learning, halakhos, commentaries. We hosted for Friday night dinner a young college graduate who was starting to take an interest in his Jewish heritage. The table discussion that "grabbed" him the most was when someone mentioned the halakhot involving employers and hired workers. "What? Judaism has labor laws?" he asked incredulously. These are the aspects we should be putting on videos and in outreach material. 21 b Ellul
I find the platitudes about “achdus” and unity boring, and I do not think they would attract non-observant Jews. What does attract them is actual learning, halakhos, commentaries. We hosted for Friday night dinner a young college graduate who was starting to take an interest in his Jewish heritage. The table discussion that “grabbed” him the most was when someone mentioned the halakhot involving employers and hired workers. “What? Judaism has labor laws?” he asked incredulously. These are the aspects we should be putting on videos and in outreach material.

]]> By: Micha http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-35149 Micha Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:58:09 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-35149 I have a friend is often says, "Rolls Royce doesn't offer zero-percent financing." The need for kiruv is far more acute because we of the Orthodox community still have a road to travel ourselves. If we lived a life that sold itself, kiruv would be far, far simpler, and it wouldn't require "zero-percent financing" to attract people to kiruv programs. The superiority of living a Torah life would be self-evident. I have a friend is often says, “Rolls Royce doesn’t offer zero-percent financing.”

The need for kiruv is far more acute because we of the Orthodox community still have a road to travel ourselves. If we lived a life that sold itself, kiruv would be far, far simpler, and it wouldn’t require “zero-percent financing” to attract people to kiruv programs. The superiority of living a Torah life would be self-evident.

]]> By: Yaakov Menken http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-34913 Yaakov Menken Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:33:12 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-34913 Only one who has seen the video could answer with certainty, but given that Rabbi Dovid Gottlieb is featured, and was personally "Inspired" by the Bostoner Rebbe, it is hard to imagine that the video would not have mentioned them. Only one who has seen the video could answer with certainty, but given that Rabbi Dovid Gottlieb is featured, and was personally “Inspired” by the Bostoner Rebbe, it is hard to imagine that the video would not have mentioned them.

]]> By: Tuvya Stern http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-34752 Tuvya Stern Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:35:40 +0000 http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2005/09/17/kiruv-isnt-coca-cola/#comment-34752 Just out of curiosity -- did the video mention kiruv institutions that are affiliated with Chassidic (non-Lubavitch) groups? Just out of curiosity — did the video mention kiruv institutions that are affiliated with Chassidic (non-Lubavitch) groups?

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